2006-04-19

Can we pray for the past?

I got a great question from one of my students named Meg.  I thought I would throw it out for consideration and debate:

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If God is part of a separate time where he is both the past present and future all at the same time, why is it that we only pray for two of those time frames the present and the future? Is it possible to alter the past by praying for a past occurrence? I'm not talking about praying to learn from one's mistakes so as to not continue to do it in the future but actually praying for something to change in the past and actually receiving your prayer?
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Meg,

Actually, this is really easy to answer:


1. Yes, God is outside of time, and all time is present tense for him.  Thus, this does open the possibility for the type of prayer you speak of.  And, as far as I know, there is no Scriptural basis for dealing with this question, so we are on our own, left to our own reason.  The Bible implies that it is always best to pray for things in the future, because future and present-tense prayers are the only prayers we find there (and in Church history for that matter).

2. Yet, neither the Bible, nor Tradition, nor Reason, forbid us to pray for the past. Indeed, Paul makes one passing reference to the Corinthians "baptizing for the dead" (1Co 15). We do not know what this exactly means, but one interpretation was that they were being baptized as "stand ins" for those who had died.  Mormons practice this. Orthodox Christians have always insisted that one is only baptized for one's self.  But, it does open the door to the idea that some in the early Church were wondering the same thing.

3. As for the nature of God, God does not contradict Godself. God cannot do things against his own nature, and be non-God. This transfers to our universe as well. Logic and math dominate the ordering of the universe (without excluding free-will).  But it does mean that nothing in creation can create black whiteness, or square circles, or an unmovable moving object.

4. Thus, like God, nothing in creation can be and not be in the same way at the same time.  Make sense so far?  OK... here is how it relates:

5. If you have definite knowledge that a certain event has happened in a certain way, it is a logically-closed event for you to pray for.  It cannot be other than it is. The prayer for these types of events IS to pray to learn from them.  In fact, learning from you past is a way of praying meaning back into a past event that was not there in the first place.  The learning that results from the event actually makes the event a different event: because now it is an event with meaning.

6. However, if you have no definite knowledge of what happened in the past, I find NO REASON not to pray for it!!! As long as you do not know, it is not a logically closed event for you... and maybe God has heard your future prayer and answered in the past, and you will find that out in the present.  I will admit, I have prayed prayers like this before, and will do so in the future.  However, with that said, I think it is a far better use of our time to pray PRO-actively (before the event) rather than RE-actively (after the event).

7. If your question has roots in your worry over whether or not someone was "saved" before death... then YES pray for them!  You never know what God might do, and what you might find out when you go into God's presence. However, do not spend so much time in the past that you are not interceding for those alive right here, right now.

That's my answer.  Hope it helps.

May Christ fill your life,
Nate

2 comments:

mary said...

Hey, Nate! Just thought I would let you know that at one time I had this horrible feeling something very bad was going to happen to Charles Stanley, so I fasted and prayed for him. Then a couple of days later I heard him tell of when he was 12, 50 years ago, that he was changing a light bulb while standing in a tub of water, but something told him to stop. At that point I no longer felt he was in danger. FEELINGS ARE NO BASE FOR THEOLOGY, but I still pray when I feel like it.

Anonymous said...

Mary,

One of my pet peeves is people who comment without commenting. Snide one-liners are only for use with people who have been sarcastic with you.

Your one-liner at the end was a complete non-sequiter. You may have to look that up since it is not in any Bible translation I know of. But, basically, a non-sequiter is when someone links two things together as cause-effect, or reason-explanation, when they have no actual logical connection.

First, my post spoke of God's attributes, inferences from Scripture, and logic. It did not use feelings. Your post actually used some version of the word "feel" three times, not mine.

Furthermore, your snide example does not prove the point you intend to make. First of all, you would have to have exhaustive knowledge of the series of cause and effect in that Pastor's life to rule out whether or not your prayer had any effect on what happened. In essence, you would have to have God directly reveal to you that your prayer had no effect. Now, God can reveal that to you through Scripture, Reason, Tradition, or personal revelation.

Now, it can't be through Scripture, because there is no Scripture that speaks to whether or not those types of prayers are effective or even allowable. And, since you either are unable or unwilling to go through the hard work of doing logical inference from Scripture about the matter (which I did), then logic isn't going to help you either.

You could consult Christian tradition as a third source of knowledge, since other Christians have spoken on things such as this (but, admittedly, not many). But, by looking at your blog, it seems you are probably arrogant enough to think that you have all of the secrets to the world with just you and your English-translation Bible, and your Strong's Concordance... so you will probably not listen to the wisdom God has given to Christians through the Ages. Never mind that your English Bible and your Strongs are both products of Tradition...

So, in answering this question of whether or not your prayer did change the 12 year old life of that Pastor, you cannot or will not use Scripture, Tradition, or Reason, then you are left with one source: direct personal revelation from God saying "MARY! DON'T PRAY FOR THE PAST! IT'S HERESY!"

But, wait! There is only one way to get that type of revelation: Through your feelings and senses. So, I guess unless you can come up with an air-tight "proof text" from Scripture to refute me, or an actual valid logical argument, then it is actually YOU that are basing your theology on your feelings.

So, I encourage you: if you are going to leave comments on other people's blogs and use your member profile so people can find out you are a Christian, please comment in such a way that you bring glory and honor to Christ.

Use a valid exegetical argument from Scripture, or a logical inference, or a historical case study. Only after you have backed up your point can you then use sarcastic one-liners, if you FEEL the need to do so. Otherwise, if you are just going to post crap that is illogical and FEELing-driven, keep it to yourself or at least be anonymous. That way you won't disgrace Jesus or yourself.

And now, since I have been sarcastic, FEEL free to use your one-liners...

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